Please post here your thoughts about where (and when) you'd like to locate your civilization in space and time. Explain the rationale for your choice.
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I think that we should put our civilization in the Amazon. Not only is that a place that know one else has done, it is also interesting and will be a lot of fun to do. I think that we would have enough resources in the Amazon in order to survive and the problem of trade could be how our civilization ended. I think the Amazon will be the most fun and best choice and we will be able to get creative and not base our civilization off of facts we already know, beacuse we don't know a lot about the Amazon.
I think that we should be in France. Some people haven't taken note of the fact that trade was A. The thing that makes a civilization and B.A major part of part 1. In addition, France was well defended against attacks by the Alps, the Pyrenees and the other natural barriers surrounding the country. Also, we don't have to be influenced by what other civilizations did. We have looked at, in past history classes, the amazon and the other civilizations that later resided there. I have no reason to believe that we wouldn't be influenced by the Caribs and the Incas who lived in South America. However, though France seems like it is a bit ordinary, this project doesn't care if the location is ordinary, more about what WE decide to do with this location. However, France would also be a good choice because of its close location to traders. Despite the fact that it is relatively isolated, it could be traders. In addition, how much do we actually know about ancient France? (without going on wikipedia) I know that we can look at modern day France, however this project ends in 500 B.C.E. And I don't know much about France before the year 1000. (Barring the romans)
So in actual fact, we could choose the ordinary but make into something much much better.
I agree with Sabrina on the Amazon. Harry you have good intentions but I think if we were to choose a place that has so much history already we would favor their culture and try to base our "new" civilization off of France's past history. Like Sabrina said little civilization is known to survive the amazon so why not ours? If we are given the oppourntunity to create our own place why not chose something that is unique and that can have endless characteristics. And China didn't trade and they were fine. Harry you voted for hunter-gathers so are you rethinking that decision???
Harry, You said in your comment that "that we have looked at in past classes the Amazon." First I do not remember that at all, in any of our history classes and Miriam also thinks that we have never studied that. Also Harry you said, " some people haven't taken note of the face that trade was A. the thing that makes and civilization and B. a major part of part 1." I agree that trade is important, but China and Japan were isolated and didn't trade and they survived.
I agree with Sabrina and Emily that we should put our civilization in the Amazon. We have never looked at it before (that I can remember), at least not in depth, and it would be much more interesting and give us a better chance to be creative with the civilization. Emily referred to hunter-gatherers in her post, and that brings back memories of Jared Diamond. Civilizations survived for thousands of years as H-G, not trading all that much at all. There are even still a few Hunter-gatherer civilizations around today, if I remember right. So it is entirely possible for them to be in a remote location like the Amazon and still survive just fine.
I also think we should do the Amazon because it is a very interesting place. Doing the Amazon will give us an opportunity to be creative since there really have been no civilizations in the Amazon. Since we have not looked at the Amazon in class this project gives us an opportunity to learn more about the Amazon
I agree with Sabrina in the fact that we should do the Amazon. We have not touched on the Amazon or in South America and have not covered it much in the past years. Also it is a river civilization and brings in a whole new environment. It brings in the rainforest and the mountains. Also the Amazon is the 2nd longest river in the world so it brings in a lot of different locations that the civilization could be. Also it is the worlds largest river in volume. It is also famous for the different varieties of fish so it could very well be a fishing based civilization. In the rainforest and mountain parts of the river it would be difficult to either clear or find enough land to sustain a city by agriculture. Also the area is not highly populated in today's world nor a big political power unlike most of the civilizations we have covered so far.
That's why i think the Amazon would be the ideal place to think about a civilization and how it would overcome some of the problems it would face.
I agree with Sabrina because the problem with the Amazon may be the solution. To solve the problem that the Amazon is isolated, we make our civiliation isolated. If the amazon has so many resources, there is no reason why it should need a whole lot of trade. Just like Sabrina said, China survived and they were isolated. This can also contribute to the end of the Amazon civilization, the Amazon is a really different place to have our civilization and it would be really unique. Other classes will probably pick something super easy with lots of other places around it.
Harry expresses concern with barriers against attackers. If the amazon is so isolated (oceans), other civilizations would be less likely to attack it.
I did some research on the resources of the Amazon, and this is what I found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Rainforest
If you look at this link and scroll down a bit, you can see how much it rains in the amazon, making it a probable good place for crops.
This link talks more about resources and it also mentions the rivers http://rainforests.mongabay.com/amazon/
"Reflecting environmental conditions as well as past human influence, the Amazon is made up of a mosaic of ecosystems and vegetation types including rainforests, seasonal forests, deciduous forests, flooded forests, and savannas. The basin is drained by the Amazon River, the world's largest river in terms of discharge, and the second longest river in the world after the Nile. The river is made up of over 1,100 tributaries, 17 of which are longer than 1000 miles, and two of which (the Negro and the Madeira) are larger, in terms of volume, than the Congo (formerly the Zaire) river. The river system is the lifeline of the forest and its history plays an important part in the development of its rainforests."
For our civilization project I agree with almost everyone who has previously posted; I think the best place to put our civilization would be the Amazon Rain forest. Of course, we probably shouldn't place it just randomly in the forest... somewhere on or in close proximity of the Amazon river would be best. I think that the Amazon River would be the best location because it is abundant in natural resources and has not been used in the past for this project. It would be fun and would really require thought and creativity because almost nothing has been done in this region before. Harry, you stated that we would be likely to be influenced by the Caribs and the Incas who lived around the same area. However, you are forgetting two important facts: first of all, the Amazon Rain forest is gigantic; two civilizations could easily coexist there and not know about each other. Second, the Incas and the Caribs, along with almost every heavily documented civilization of that area, did not arise until well after our time frame for this project. The only peoples we have record of were small tribes of people who lived in the rain forest, but not enough information is known to base our civilization off of those. Besides, we have never even learned about South American civilizations, so I really don't think influence by other civilizations of the area would be an issue.
On another note, I did a little bit of research and found that the Amazon was in fact inhabited by small tribes before the arise of large civilizations, like the Inca. There is little record of these civilizations, but a website I found says that some of them probably cleared away sections of the rain forest for agricultural purposes; also, shards of pottery have been found scattered about the Amazon. These signs of civilization mean that building a civilization in this region would be possible.
I think that our civilization should be in the Amazon as well because i think that it would actually be possible to have a functional civilization there and the civilization would be able to survive. Also, we haven't learned about the Amazon so it could really give us more knowledge about the Amazon.
Fine, but we shouldn't limit our civ to one place. One of the classic mistakes made by many civilizations (Egypt) is that they didn't expand. While I am forced to agree with the Amazon, we should think about expanding our focus from not just the amazon, but Central America and also the Andes Mountains. We could really design a very cool city in the mountains.
I think I should have posted earlier because everyone has brought up the points that I was going to say! I agree with everyone, except for harry, in that we should have our civilization in the Amazon, like Sabrina origanally said. Also I agree with Dylan and Preston that we should place it around the Amazon River. That would help with ideas for how they get food and water. Also the point that harry pointed out about trading's importance, and the lack there of for the amazon could also be helpful because that could be our civilization's downfall. Those are just my ideas though.
I think our civilization should be in the Amazon along the Amazon River in 400BCE. The fact that the Amazon has an eclectic assortment of foods for consumption and plants that can be used for medicinal purposes makes for an interesting culture.
I agree that we should choose to do the Amazon for our civilization project. I think that it’s certain that we’d have to get very creative—but I think that would be the fun part. For example, we could create weapons of warfare that would come from the teeth of large animals, or make certain foods out of plants. think this would be a lot of fun. I also agree with Dylan in that because the Amazon is such a great natural resource our civilization should take advantage of that and be located within close proximity to the river. I I also think that it would be easier to do an area that we are all relatively unfamiliar with because we wouldn’t be influenced by the current customs and language of that area. For example, if we chose to do France, I think we would be more likely to make some sort of replica of their language rather than creating an entirely unique one.
Right, the way I see it, we should have a civilization with 3 divisions (The Amazon, Central America and The Andes) Each division would have an administrative council (sort of like a US State), than we could have a separate, grand capital in the Amazon. (Like Washington D.C.) I'm not being influenced by the USA, but I'm taking them as an example which could work quite well, because it would leave matters concerning the entire country/civilization to the grand capital, while the 3 admin capitals deal with the local matters.
I think that we should put our civilization somewhere on the Mediterranean sea, like Harry said, trade is a big thing we have to keep in mind here. As for time, I really don't have a prefrence.
Hey guys, I just suggesting some of you read past comments because it seems that the posts are written however the "posterer" doesnt seem to have read the previous comments. And not to take light from Sabrina but I just want you all to know that Sabrina, Miriam, and I thought of the idea of the Amazon. I just don't want the others to be left out. sorry. However I do like what you all are saying, however harry, can you explain further into what you are saying about 3 divisions. I don't believe I'm really following you.
Thanks, Emilie. My idea is to divide the civilzation up into 3 divisions-therefore simplifying the chain of command in the civ. By doing this, it means that you can take away the strain (think about if Washington D.C. was the capital for the entire country [no states or anything] think about how much chaos this would cause) So by allowing a "state" capital for each of the three regions, it means that you can have somewhere where decisions are made reagrding the local area- leaving the grand capital free to make decisions affecting the ENTIRE empire.
Also, I think that we are limiting our view to just the amazon. As I said before we could have three different areas where the lifestyle ,etc., was completely different and that way we could come up with different cultures etc. united under one banner and one language.
I'll explain it more tomorrow, just catch me in the hall. (I won't be in class tomorrow-dental appointment)
I agree with wanting to place our new civilization in the Amazon. I think the idea of living by the Amazon River is really good. Like we were talking about in class and a little here, we can design a whole new culture and it would be a lot easier if we have to start with not knowning much, than if we had to try block out the ideas we already have of a civilization. Like if we were going to do a civilization in a place that is well known, we would have to work harder to make sure that the ideas that we have are original. The majority of us don' know much about the Amazon at that time. So I think this will be an interesting location to do.
I think that we should also put our civilization in the amazon because the most important thing in a civilization is staying alive. The best place for this would be the amazon. It has a varitey of food and is close to the river. And as Emily said, the amazon is new, exciting, and unique.
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I think that we should put our civilization in the Amazon. Not only is that a place that know one else has done, it is also interesting and will be a lot of fun to do. I think that we would have enough resources in the Amazon in order to survive and the problem of trade could be how our civilization ended. I think the Amazon will be the most fun and best choice and we will be able to get creative and not base our civilization off of facts we already know, beacuse we don't know a lot about the Amazon.
I think that we should be in France. Some people haven't taken note of the fact that trade was A. The thing that makes a civilization and B.A major part of part 1. In addition, France was well defended against attacks by the Alps, the Pyrenees and the other natural barriers surrounding the country. Also, we don't have to be influenced by what other civilizations did. We have looked at, in past history classes, the amazon and the other civilizations that later resided there. I have no reason to believe that we wouldn't be influenced by the Caribs and the Incas who lived in South America. However, though France seems like it is a bit ordinary, this project doesn't care if the location is ordinary, more about what WE decide to do with this location. However, France would also be a good choice because of its close location to traders. Despite the fact that it is relatively isolated, it could be traders. In addition, how much do we actually know about ancient France? (without going on wikipedia) I know that we can look at modern day France, however this project ends in 500 B.C.E. And I don't know much about France before the year 1000. (Barring the romans)
So in actual fact, we could choose the ordinary but make into something much much better.
I agree with Sabrina on the Amazon. Harry you have good intentions but I think if we were to choose a place that has so much history already we would favor their culture and try to base our "new" civilization off of France's past history. Like Sabrina said little civilization is known to survive the amazon so why not ours? If we are given the oppourntunity to create our own place why not chose something that is unique and that can have endless characteristics. And China didn't trade and they were fine. Harry you voted for hunter-gathers so are you rethinking that decision???
Harry, You said in your comment that "that we have looked at in past classes the Amazon." First I do not remember that at all, in any of our history classes and Miriam also thinks that we have never studied that. Also Harry you said, " some people haven't taken note of the face that trade was A. the thing that makes and civilization and B. a major part of part 1." I agree that trade is important, but China and Japan were isolated and didn't trade and they survived.
I agree with Sabrina and Emily that we should put our civilization in the Amazon. We have never looked at it before (that I can remember), at least not in depth, and it would be much more interesting and give us a better chance to be creative with the civilization. Emily referred to hunter-gatherers in her post, and that brings back memories of Jared Diamond. Civilizations survived for thousands of years as H-G, not trading all that much at all. There are even still a few Hunter-gatherer civilizations around today, if I remember right. So it is entirely possible for them to be in a remote location like the Amazon and still survive just fine.
I also think we should do the Amazon because it is a very interesting place. Doing the Amazon will give us an opportunity to be creative since there really have been no civilizations in the Amazon. Since we have not looked at the Amazon in class this project gives us an opportunity to learn more about the Amazon
I agree with Sabrina in the fact that we should do the Amazon. We have not touched on the Amazon or in South America and have not covered it much in the past years. Also it is a river civilization and brings in a whole new environment. It brings in the rainforest and the mountains. Also the Amazon is the 2nd longest river in the world so it brings in a lot of different locations that the civilization could be. Also it is the worlds largest river in volume. It is also famous for the different varieties of fish so it could very well be a fishing based civilization. In the rainforest and mountain parts of the river it would be difficult to either clear or find enough land to sustain a city by agriculture. Also the area is not highly populated in today's world nor a big political power unlike most of the civilizations we have covered so far.
That's why i think the Amazon would be the ideal place to think about a civilization and how it would overcome some of the problems it would face.
I agree with Sabrina because the problem with the Amazon may be the solution. To solve the problem that the Amazon is isolated, we make our civiliation isolated. If the amazon has so many resources, there is no reason why it should need a whole lot of trade. Just like Sabrina said, China survived and they were isolated. This can also contribute to the end of the Amazon civilization, the Amazon is a really different place to have our civilization and it would be really unique. Other classes will probably pick something super easy with lots of other places around it.
Harry expresses concern with barriers against attackers. If the amazon is so isolated (oceans), other civilizations would be less likely to attack it.
I did some research on the resources of the Amazon, and this is what I found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Rainforest
If you look at this link and scroll down a bit, you can see how much it rains in the amazon, making it a probable good place for crops.
This link talks more about resources and it also mentions the rivers
http://rainforests.mongabay.com/amazon/
"Reflecting environmental conditions as well as past human influence, the Amazon is made up of a mosaic of ecosystems and vegetation types including rainforests, seasonal forests, deciduous forests, flooded forests, and savannas. The basin is drained by the Amazon River, the world's largest river in terms of discharge, and the second longest river in the world after the Nile. The river is made up of over 1,100 tributaries, 17 of which are longer than 1000 miles, and two of which (the Negro and the Madeira) are larger, in terms of volume, than the Congo (formerly the Zaire) river. The river system is the lifeline of the forest and its history plays an important part in the development of its rainforests."
For our civilization project I agree with almost everyone who has previously posted; I think the best place to put our civilization would be the Amazon Rain forest. Of course, we probably shouldn't place it just randomly in the forest... somewhere on or in close proximity of the Amazon river would be best. I think that the Amazon River would be the best location because it is abundant in natural resources and has not been used in the past for this project. It would be fun and would really require thought and creativity because almost nothing has been done in this region before. Harry, you stated that we would be likely to be influenced by the Caribs and the Incas who lived around the same area. However, you are forgetting two important facts: first of all, the Amazon Rain forest is gigantic; two civilizations could easily coexist there and not know about each other. Second, the Incas and the Caribs, along with almost every heavily documented civilization of that area, did not arise until well after our time frame for this project. The only peoples we have record of were small tribes of people who lived in the rain forest, but not enough information is known to base our civilization off of those. Besides, we have never even learned about South American civilizations, so I really don't think influence by other civilizations of the area would be an issue.
On another note, I did a little bit of research and found that the Amazon was in fact inhabited by small tribes before the arise of large civilizations, like the Inca. There is little record of these civilizations, but a website I found says that some of them probably cleared away sections of the rain forest for agricultural purposes; also, shards of pottery have been found scattered about the Amazon. These signs of civilization mean that building a civilization in this region would be possible.
Here is the site in case anyone is interested:
http://news.mongabay.com/2005/1017-amazon.html
I think that our civilization should be in the Amazon as well because i think that it would actually be possible to have a functional civilization there and the civilization would be able to survive. Also, we haven't learned about the Amazon so it could really give us more knowledge about the Amazon.
Fine, but we shouldn't limit our civ to one place. One of the classic mistakes made by many civilizations (Egypt) is that they didn't expand. While I am forced to agree with the Amazon, we should think about expanding our focus from not just the amazon, but Central America and also the Andes Mountains. We could really design a very cool city in the mountains.
What does everyone think?
I think I should have posted earlier because everyone has brought up the points that I was going to say! I agree with everyone, except for harry, in that we should have our civilization in the Amazon, like Sabrina origanally said.
Also I agree with Dylan and Preston that we should place it around the Amazon River. That would help with ideas for how they get food and water. Also the point that harry pointed out about trading's importance, and the lack there of for the amazon could also be helpful because that could be our civilization's downfall. Those are just my ideas though.
Liz,
Is that for my first comment or my second?
I think our civilization should be in the Amazon along the Amazon River in 400BCE. The fact that the Amazon has an eclectic assortment of foods for consumption and plants that can be used for medicinal purposes makes for an interesting culture.
I agree that we should choose to do the Amazon for our civilization project. I think that it’s certain that we’d have to get very creative—but I think that would be the fun part. For example, we could create weapons of warfare that would come from the teeth of large animals, or make certain foods out of plants. think this would be a lot of fun. I also agree with Dylan in that because the Amazon is such a great natural resource our civilization should take advantage of that and be located within close proximity to the river. I I also think that it would be easier to do an area that we are all relatively unfamiliar with because we wouldn’t be influenced by the current customs and language of that area. For example, if we chose to do France, I think we would be more likely to make some sort of replica of their language rather than creating an entirely unique one.
Right, the way I see it, we should have a civilization with 3 divisions (The Amazon, Central America and The Andes) Each division would have an administrative council (sort of like a US State), than we could have a separate, grand capital in the Amazon. (Like Washington D.C.) I'm not being influenced by the USA, but I'm taking them as an example which could work quite well, because it would leave matters concerning the entire country/civilization to the grand capital, while the 3 admin capitals deal with the local matters.
I think that we should put our civilization somewhere on the Mediterranean sea, like Harry said, trade is a big thing we have to keep in mind here. As for time, I really don't have a prefrence.
Hey guys, I just suggesting some of you read past comments because it seems that the posts are written however the "posterer" doesnt seem to have read the previous comments. And not to take light from Sabrina but I just want you all to know that Sabrina, Miriam, and I thought of the idea of the Amazon. I just don't want the others to be left out. sorry. However I do like what you all are saying, however harry, can you explain further into what you are saying about 3 divisions. I don't believe I'm really following you.
Thanks, Emilie. My idea is to divide the civilzation up into 3 divisions-therefore simplifying the chain of command in the civ. By doing this, it means that you can take away the strain (think about if Washington D.C. was the capital for the entire country [no states or anything] think about how much chaos this would cause) So by allowing a "state" capital for each of the three regions, it means that you can have somewhere where decisions are made reagrding the local area- leaving the grand capital free to make decisions affecting the ENTIRE empire.
Also, I think that we are limiting our view to just the amazon. As I said before we could have three different areas where the lifestyle ,etc., was completely different and that way we could come up with different cultures etc. united under one banner and one language.
I'll explain it more tomorrow, just catch me in the hall. (I won't be in class tomorrow-dental appointment)
I agree with wanting to place our new civilization in the Amazon. I think the idea of living by the Amazon River is really good. Like we were talking about in class and a little here, we can design a whole new culture and it would be a lot easier if we have to start with not knowning much, than if we had to try block out the ideas we already have of a civilization. Like if we were going to do a civilization in a place that is well known, we would have to work harder to make sure that the ideas that we have are original. The majority of us don' know much about the Amazon at that time. So I think this will be an interesting location to do.
I think that we should also put our civilization in the amazon because the most important thing in a civilization is staying alive. The best place for this would be the amazon. It has a varitey of food and is close to the river. And as Emily said, the amazon is new, exciting, and unique.
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